A Critical Analysis of the Sufi Creed of the Elders of the Deobandi and the Tableeghi Jamaah
Deoband is a small city located in the district of Saharanpur in the state of Uttar Pradesh, India. Deoband was surrounded by dense forests and was believed to be the abode of the Hindu goddess durga. It is also said that the word Deobandi is derived from devi vandam another Hindu goddess, and Allah knows best. In this same city, Deoband on the 15th of Muharram 1283 AH corresponding to Thursday 3rd May 1867, the foundations of Madrassah Darul-uloom Deobandi were laid in aid of establishing Darul-Uloom Deobandi. The hindus contributed and donated a large amount of money and from amongst the list of hindus contributors includes Munshi Ram, Ram Sahaa,ai, Munshi Hardiwaaree Laal, Laalaah Bayjaanth, Pandit (Hindu priest) Shree Ram, Munshi Moti Laal, Ram Laal.
The main objective of establishing Darul-Uloom Deoband was to preserve the blind-following of the Hanafee mathab and to propagate it as mentioned by Sheikh Muhammed Shafee (1897-1976) a major deobandee scholar and was also to promote Sufism and its beliefs. Another Deobandee major Scholar Sheikh Muhammad Yusef al-Benori (d 1397 AH), when explaining who the Deobandees and what their mathab is stated that the Deobandees is based on the following:-
Blind following Imam Abu Haneeefah in fiqh
Following the disciplines of Sufism
Regarding Muhyud-Deen Ibnu-Arabi to be Sheikul-al-Akbar
Following the hadeeth of the Messenger of Allah (salalla alahi wasalam)
Some of the Major Deobandee Scholars are as follows:-
Sheikh Qasim Nanotwee (d 1297 AH) is regarded as the founder of Darul-Uloom Deoband by the Deobandees
Al-Hajj Imadaadullah (d 1317 AH) the Sheikh of all the sheikhs of Deoband known as Sheikul-Mashaayeekh
Sheikh Rashid Ahmed Gangohi (d 1323AH) and others
Some of the main beliefs of the Deobandees:
1.Unity of existence
2.Contemplation of the Sufi Sheikh
3.Seeking Istigaathah from the souls of the living Saints
4.Seeking Istigaathah from the righteous ones after death
5.Benefiting from the dead people (in their) graves
6.Contemplating and communicating with the dead people at their graves.
7.The Messenger of Allah (salalla alahi wasalam) being created from the noor (light) of Allah
8. Making Tawassul of the dead,which includes Prophets and righteous people
9.The permissibility of travelling to graves with intention of attaining reward
10.The Messenger of Allah (salalla alahi wasalam) being alive in his grave as he was alive in the dunya
by Zulfikr Ibrahim Al-Memoni- altharee Islamic University of Madeenah Fauculty of Hadeeth Al-Madeenah
Editors Comment: Some people may object and say such and such a deobandi Imam does not hold some of the above beliefs. We say when the Scholars look into the creed of any sect they look into the books and statements of the founders and scholars of that sect, not local Imams or Sheikhs. So if we want to know the creed of the Raafida Shia we dont ask the local Imams or their Sheiks we go to the books of their Scholars to find out their creed. Likewise if you want to know the Salafi creed we first and foremost look at the statements of the Messenger of Allah (salalla alahi wasalam), the Sahaba, the Scholars of the Tabieen like Hasan-al Basri, Awzaaee and the scholars of the Salaf. So If anybody is aware of any deobandee scholars who have authored books that criticise and denounce any of the above deviant beliefs please let us know where we can obtain a copy and we will be happy to publish it on this blog.
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We Deobandis do not hold all of the above beliefs. It is well known that Deobandi ulema speak against istighatha for example. Please research properly and do not fabricate beliefs of Deobandis.
It is an amazing piece of scholastic work with so much indepth knowldge. I wonder who is more sophisticated Literalist Christian Evengelical zionist or the contributer of this article. No wonder we muslims are laughting stock if this is the best one can come up with. One lack of understanding and Jahalat knows no bound!
i Dont know from where u copied & pasted these type of false articles, You are completely mad…IDIOT
First of all I would like to welcome all our new deobandee readers the article was taken from the book that is the same title of the post and a picture of the book can be found at the top of the post and can be purchased from umm-ul-qura.org.The book was a research on the creed of the founding forefathers of the deobandis and since then the deobandis have split into different groups so please beware this is the creed of the founders of your sect which nobody can deny because its all documented
Come on, if you’re going to lie, you should at least do a better job of it.
If you find any lies in the book please let us know with the proofs and we will pass your comments on to author.What I have read from the book the book seems to be a well researched and referenced piece of work.
Another point that you deobandees should consider is that most deobandees do not choose to become deobandee sufis out of an informed choice rather their parents sent them to the local mosque as kids which happened to be a sufi deobandee mosque and that’s what they were brought up on.
So my advice to our deobandee brothers and sisters is to have an unbiased critical look into your beliefs and practices based upon your own research and not by simply asking the maulana and see if these beliefs/practices has got any foundation in the Quran or the authentic sunnah or if the companions believed or practiced as the deobandee/tablighis do.This will give you an indication if what you are upon is correct or not.The last point is do not let your blind hatred of the salafis and the propaganda and lies against us stop you from coming to the truth research for yourself be sincere and you will find the truth.
Assalaamu Alaikum Wr Wb,
I Specially request you to conduct research on the other side of the history also i.e. If Deoband was not established, then what will be the creed of mine & youself…………..
Brother Dont copy from Unauthentic books written by American & jews agents, because they doesn’t want the post & Honour the deoband is holding presently in the world.
Read the history of the Deoband facing difficult times during british rule & also starting the campaign to drive out the british dacoits out the sub-continent and presently in Afghanistan…….
DONT BE AMONG THEM BROTHER
PROUD TO BE A MUSLIM
And you think an ignorant Muslim “chooses” to become a Wahabi when he is bombarded with propaganda demonizing Imam Abu Hanifa (Rahmat Allahi Alayh), the Elders of Deoband, etc.?
I want to buy this book urgently.
I stay in kolkata india.
My relative stays in London.
I cannot buy online.
Please suggest.
We are selling this book at the price of £10 if you get your relatives to contact us we will advise them of the total cost including shipping to India.
Brother
She is my grandmother.
She is very old.
So can you send the book to her address and she will pay you the money directly
or please suggest some other ways to pay you.
So much effort in committing SIN, Great Muslims
Deobandis are Mushriks.
Exposing them is not sin.
Inshallah we will be rewarded for exposing falsehood.
You are the children of Queen Elizabeth,,,,
Allah SWT Knows Best Who is Mushrik
Ok.
Then Let’s do MUBAHILA.
Then we will come to know who is the children of whom and who are mushriks.
Btw u know what’s Mubahila???
Lol!….I can only pray to Allah swt..that the takfiri statement by you doesnt return…may He guide you bro!
I feel sorry for you.
this link fit for u http://www.ummah.com/Al_adaab/profile.html
Brother
Let’s do Mubahila.
How about you shut up and save yourself from ruin?
Assalamu alaykum,
ma shaa’Allaah this is a good book and the only Deobandi refutation I know of in the English language you can also purchase it from the link below
http://www.al-hidaayah.co.uk/a-critical-analysis-of-the-sufi-creed-of-the-elders-of-deoband-and-the-tablighi-jamaah-by-ali-hassan-khan.ir?cName
There is more Deobandi refutations on this link http://AhlalHadeeth.wordpress.com/deviated-sects/deobandi/
I’m sorry but lies are not refutations.
DEobandi standpoint on issues of aqida is simply contradictory.And about salafis?they are the root of all fitna. Both are the poisonous fruits of same tree.FOr the unity of muslim ummah, both are dangerous.However innocent youths falling in their traps need to be rescued from their propaganda.
Azad can explain how the salafis are the root of all fitna?
Salafism/Ahle Hadith, main branch of wahabism,is very obstinate and dogmatic in their understanding of islam.their scholars are so arrogant, hauhty and proud. they departed from the traditional Isalm and classical sholars. They only deem themselves as Muslims. They deem others as Mushriks and Bidati —-Not only Shias but all, even the Muslims followinhg traditional ahle sunnat wa ZAmmat.They are always ready with their guilotines of Kharizi-like self-coined Shirk and Bidat to slaughter the Muslims.They dont listen; They only issue fatwas.Fatwas of declaring the Muslims as Mushriks and Bidatis.They pretended to launch and spread their movement in the name of unity of Muslim Ummah. They lambasted the four great Fiqhi school of thoughts.But today they themselves are divided into countless sub-sects.They only spread hatred, violence and terrorism in the society.I don’t know which sub-sect of wahabism do you follow. But, brother, please work for peace and harmony. Please work for the unity of muslim Ummah. So many problems the Muslims are afflicted with.But my heart bleeds to say, we have been using all our energies, talents and intelligence to refute each other.the minor issues are being made bone of contention. Recently, some Mullahs have given fatwa declaring use of ‘Hello’ in Mobille as Haram and the result is, fitna surfaces in society. May Allah guide us along siratwal mustaqim.
Can you give us some quotes from one our Scholars were they declared Muslims as Mushriks?
Can you you also give the proof that our Scholars Lambasted the four Mathabs as you have claimed?
Can you gives quotes where our Scholars spread terrorism?
I would love to see this
Dear friend! InshaAllah I’ll provide proof. Don’t be anxious.But righ now, Instead of expanding our discourse, let us proceed point by point.You had demanded explanation. I furnished.I provided examples as well.Let me have your comment first .Are’nt the aforesaid fatwa ‘on Hello’ and splitting of Wahabis into countless sub-sects uncalled-for?
First of all can you explain to us the creed of the “Wahabis” and how their beliefs oppose the quran and the Sunnah?
Secondly can you explain what is the creed of these sub sects and how they oppose the Main sect?
Don’t be childish, Friend! It’s really hilarious that the representative of salaism, the main branch of wahabism,wants to learn about own creed! And about the difference between Wahabism and its sub-sects?You know much better.It’s not related to our discussion.What I meant is that, Wahabis’ splitting into salafis, Ahle Hadith, Ahle Sahih Hadith, Kutubis, Zamatul Muslemeen,Zamat ud Dawah,Zamate Islami, Madkhalis ETC. AND ETC, is an example of fitna.This firqaparasti cannot be justied on any ground.Come on friend.Don’t digrees next time.Be bold to admit that it is fitna. Be bold to admit that fatwas like declaring ‘Hello’ in Mobiles as haram is totally unwanted.
You are the one that has mentioned all these groups so you can explain and enlighten us what is the difference between a “Wahabi” and a Salafi you seem to know so much.If you don’t know just say so there is no shame.As for the fatawa that says its Haram to have a ring-tone that says “Hello” please post it.I am not aware of it
Brother, I knew very well that your sectarian bias will not allow you to admit the truth.This is the main feature of you, the Wahabis. However, as you are bent on your silly digressions, I am entertaining.Hope, it will enlighten you.
Firstly, your Saudi Wahabi Mullahs including Imam of Kaba have given fatwa that saying Hello in telephone is haram.Their argument is that Hell means Zahannam and Hello means Zahannami So,addressing someone as zahannami is haram! This report has been published in the West Bengal Wahabis’ mouthpiece monthly Ahle hadith December.2010, page 375. They have adopted it from urdu Rastriya Sahara dated 24.8.2010.After this, kharizis have strted to creati fitna on it.Doubtless, Assalamu Alaikum is the best greeting.But, Hello is haram?Is’nt it too much?
And splitting of Wahabis into countless sects? Brother, Wahabism was created by the British by their agent Md. Bin Abdul Wahab Nazdi for creating disunity among the Muslim Ummah.The Wahabis branded almost entire Muslim Ummah on this ground that he who asks for intercession from souls of prophets or of Awliya , or who visits their graves and prays through their intermediation, becomes a disbeliever.Thus, they enveloped the entire ummah with Kharizi Takafiri Fitna.Not only that, sponsored and patronized by the British and in the league of cruel Saudi Dynasti, they slaughtered thae Ahle Sunnat Wa Zamaat and set up Saudi Wahabi Sate, a puppet State in the hands of the British. very many books are there on h=this subject. For example, one may read Advice for the Muslim and Endless Bliss by M Siddik Gumus of Turkey and Terrorism and Illuminati by David Livingstone.
In the course of time, Wahabis stated to be involved in internal conflicts resulting into formation of several sub-sects. Their is no basic difference among these firqas. Desire of nafs, material interesst and narrowmindedness are the only reasons of this firqaparasti.Each and every firqa is calling people towards itself. All the groups are iisueing fatwas against each other.The result is, the general educated youths are in a fix. Secular education tells upon them spontaneously and when they come across these countless names,they start to move away from Islam further.
Now let us take example of their fatawabazi.
Zakir bhai MBBBS is an well-known Wahabi-Salafi preacher.Extensive propagation of Salafism is carried out by IRF by their Sattellite Peace TV Channels; Cable TV Networks and public lectures. In addition, they have trained thousand of preachers to spread wahabism in the name of Islam across the globe and in his mission he is sponsored by Saudi Monarchy. yet, this MBBBS doctor’s group {Zakiris} and Salafis are biting each other.Yaheea Al-Hazoorie, renowned Wahabi- Salafi sholar condemned in many of his writings and declare his dawah as the ‘Dawah of Shaytan’.Al-Hazoorie also says :This [Mr. Zakir’s] Dawah is a mixture of Judaism, hinduism, Christianity, Rafidhiya(Shias),Ikhwaniah(zamati isalmietc.) and Aqlaniyyah(rationalists/those speak with logics) there is no distinction between haq and batil.Another Wahabi-Salafi scholar Abdul Hamid rahmani in his debate with Zakir Bhai MBBS came down heavily on him simply because he refuses to be called by the name of Ahle Hadith sect.THe evidence of these fatwas and similare other fatwas are available in the Wahabi Website http://www.asliahlesunnat.com. What a pity! Leaders are showering fatwas against him and the poor common ahle-hadithes, particularly general educated youths,are adoring him! Discuss in front of these unfortunate persons aboot WaliAllahs. They will taunt you.Discuss in front of them about sahabas and ahle Bait. They will taunt you.Discuss in front of them about Rasulullah’s(PBUH) Muzizahs.They will say, you are worshipping him.But take the name of mr. Naik. THey will be beamed in joy.Their praise for him will exceed all bouundaries. It deserves to be mentioned here that this Zakir Bhai MBBS had come under fire from Scholars of Ahle Sunnat Wa zamaat.Deobadi scholars also have fatwas against him.More than 20 fatwas of Kufr were issued by the Shariah Board of America against him.For details,one may visit LET US CORRECT OUR ISLAMIC FAITH Website.
Zamatul Muslemeen and Salafis are slinging mud only over their names.How ludicrous! Over the issue of Tawheed al Hakimiyyah, some Wahabis are calling other wahabis Bidati. Saikh Uthaiman,for example,says:” Whoever claims that ther is a fourth category of tawhid under the title tawheed al hakimiyyah is to be counted as an innovator”.Al muslimoon, may,97.
After the 1991 Gulf war, thrre new trends of wahabism came into forefront.
1. The anti-political pro saudi sect identifying itself with Saudi Scholar Rabi Al madkhali. 2.The political and mildly anti-SAudi sect identifying itself with Safar Al Hawali.3. Various Salafi-wahabi Zihadi groups. each set accuses the other of strying from true Salafism. albani, Baz, Uthaiman. all supported al Madkhalee. He pointed at a few famous Salafi scholars such as Shaikh Salman Al Awda. Shaikh Safara Al Hawali,Shaikh Saleh al Munazzid et….and said: “They were all deviants.” Falih said: “Shaykh Rabbi is a liar, a charlatan, a wild beast, he is sucha dog that bites, all innovators are with him…….” ( For reference one may visit, salafi aqeedah the flaming falcon swooping down on the dissenters of the Hanbalee Madhhab).
Hope, that’s adequate for your eye-opening.May Allah gide us along the Siratwal Mustaqim.
Those who do Shirk are Mushriks.
They remain so until they repent.
Forget about Deobandis.
Any one who commits as-Shirk al-Akbar ……whether he is a hanafi,wahabi,”ahle hadees” is a MUSHRIK without doubt unless he repents.
You cannot be a Muslim unless you are a true follower of Qur’an and Sunnah…….not only by words but also by actions.
And who are you Brother Abul Kalam Azad???
Barelwi ho kya aap ? Ya Shia? Ya qadyaani ?
Hanafi ho to Mushrik ho aap.
Muslim sirf Asli Ahle Hadees hi ho sakta hai.
Baaki sab Mushrik Kaafir Munafiq.
Allaah Knows Best.
May Allaah guide you
Aameen
My dear sweet brother,
I am a very modest person. I am a Muslim belonging to Ahle Sunnat Wa Zamaat. I follow Fiqh Hanafi. But, like all Hanafis, I respect Shafi, Maliki and Hanbali Fiqhi school of thought equally. I am over head and ears in love with Sahaba e keram, Ahle Bait, Imams and WaliAllahs.
Brother, you roared that except Ahle Hadeeth, the rest of all are Mushrik Kafir munafiq. This is nothing new brother. This is typical Kharizi Wahabi Takfiri lambastment.I dont blame you . You are brainwashed. The poor fellows like you have been trained by your arrogant firqaparast Mullahs in this way. They have groomed you only to declare others except you as Mushrik Kafir Munafiq on the basis of self-coined definition of shirk. And brother, this is one of the key charactaristics of Kharizis for whom severe punishment awaits.
Dear brother,I implore you and all others to desert taqfiri kharizi sect and join the zamaat of Ahlus Sunnah to which belongs 85% Muslims.The great scholar Syed Alawi Al Makki Al Maliki(Rahatullah Alaih) and other Sunni Luminaries across the globe strived to rescue the Ummah from this Kharizi Wahabi fitna and in the process underwent suffering.
Brother, you prayed to the Almightu Allah to guide me. Thanks. I always need my Creator’s guide. But same about you my brother. you also need His Guide.All Muslims need his guide.Only Satan and his followes dont need His Guide. We should not forget that acquiring ranks in the Hereafter is very difficult. The Hereafter is coming forward and this world is receeding backward.Death is near. Journey is long.Provision is scanty.Injurious and destructive elements are ther on the way. We are engrossed in the luxuries of the world and its comfort and enjoyments.
This is going to be my last message in this website.Firstly because, abusive languages and fatwas have started to flow on your part. Secondly because,My point is established.I remarked earlier that Salafi wahabis are the root of all fitna because they brand all others as mushrik kafirs and give extremely unwanted fatwas.Furtermore, they are so firqaparast that they not only brand the Ahle sunnat Wa Zammat as Mushriks but they themselves have split up inth countless sub-sects and each sect is throwing fatwa against each other. YOUR DECLARING HANAFIS AND ALL THE OTHERS EXCEPT AHLE HADEETH AS MUSHRIK KAFIR AND MUNAFIQ ESTABLISHES MY STANDPOINT ENTIRELY.
May Allah guide us along siratwal Mustaqim.
Azad Allah said in the Quran
:And whoever invokes (or worships), besides Allâh, any other ilâh (god), of whom he has no proof, then his reckoning is only with his Lord. Surely! Al-Kâfirûn (the disbelievers in Allâh and in the Oneness of Allâh, polytheists, pagans, idolaters, etc.) will not be successful. (Al-Mu’minun 23:117)
So I wondered how do you justify making dua to the dead awliya?
Brother I am not doing Takfeer on grounds of sins.
Watch my words carefully brother.
I am doing Takfeer on grounds of Aqeedah.
Those who corrupt their Aqaid with As-Shirk Al-Akbar are Mushriks even though they utter Kalimat-us-Shahadah.
Allaah says in the Qur’an
Wa ma yu’minu aksaruhum billaahi illa wa hum mushrikun.(12:106)
“Aksar Log imaaan laane ke baad bhi Mushrik hai”
And I dont follow any mullaas brother.
They are corrupted.They have sold themselves to the Awwaam.
Majority of the Mullaas are corrupt today no matter whichever sect they belong to.
Those who do Shirk are Mushriks unless they repent.
If you do Shirk like if you make dua to someone other than Allaah(Prophet,Wali etc.),you are a Mushrik.
If you disagree I am ready to do Mubahila with you.
So are you ready brother???
You simply do Mubahila brother.
JUST DO MUBAHILA.
You make dua to someone else besides Allaah.
You are committing a Shirk.
Hence you are a Mushrik unless you repent.
Are you ready brother for a Mubahila???
Assalaamualaikum brothers. I am really interested in purchasing this book. I used to be heavily involved with Tablighi’s and Sufi’s.
Jafar, how may I purschase this book?
Jazakallah-khair.
Walaikum Salam.
You can purchase a copy from me I will bring a copy to our Arabic Class .
Jafar
Inshallah the book will be available in Hell…………..
What are you saying salafis will be in hell?What beliefs or actions are going to to take us to hell? please enlighten us.
Your Khariziate and takfiri charactaristics will take you, the Wahabis, to Hell.
Sweet Brother asalafiyale! one word more! I take pity on you. Finally, you deleted my post dated May 22, 2011 and strived to prevent me from exposing truth!! Brother, Suppressing truth is a crime.
BELIEF OF HAJI IMDADULLAH SAHIB:
“O the Grandeur Messenger! This is appeal; O Muhammad Mustafa (salALLAHu alaihi walayhi wassalam)! This is appeal.
I’m stuck in severe hardship nowadays; O my solver of difficulty (Mushkil-Kusha)! This is appeal.
Free me from the caption of grief; O great king! This is appeal.”
(Nala-e-Imdad Ghareeb Munaajaat, page 18, by Haji Imdadullah Sahib)
FATWA OF RASHEED GANGOHI:
“When Prophets don’t have knowledge of unseen then saying ‘O Prophet (Ya Rasool ALLAH)’ would be invalid too. If one says while keeping this faith that he listens from far away via knowledge of unseen then this (belief) itself is infidelity.”
(Fatawa-e-Rasheediya, part 3, page 90, by Rasheed Gangohi)
BELIEF HAJI IMDADULLAH:
“Our scholars contradict on Mawlood Sharif; however Intellectuals have also gone towards its approval. When the condition of its approval is present, even then they show such extremism that only the obedience of Haramain is for them….. It would not cause harm if it is assumed the presence (of the Prophet, Peace and blessings of ALLAH be upon him) among us.”(Imdad ul Mushtaq, page 55, compiled by Ashraf Ali Thanvi and Mushtaq Ahmed Deobandi)
FATWA OF RASHEED GANGOHI AND KHALEEL AMBETHWI:
“Every day this commemoration of birth (of Prophet) is similar to Hindus who celebrate birth of Saang Kanhaiya each year.” (Baraheen-e-Qaati’ah, Page 148) “Instead, people (celebrating Mawlood) are worse than that (pagan) nation.”
(Baraheen-e-Qaati’ah, page 149)
i have stayed in saudi a long time.gr8 salafi scholars like ibn uthyamee and mohammed ibn suhaib have said that tabligh work is good and we should get involved in it..even abdurehman sudais visited deoband recently..he is considered to be a staunch salafi..
As salaam alaikoum warahamtullaahi wabarakatoeh,
All my beloved brothers i would like to advice you all. Who are making takfir upon eachother.
To thing deeply. for indeed Allaah aa’za wa Djall Has send down on to us a great book.
yet we neglect it very often. The first and formost thing to do is purification. The purification of Tawheed Such as Tawheed Rubbobiyyaah, Tawheed ullohiyaah and tawheed asma wa sifaat.
And secondly the Conditions of tawheed. wich are 7 according to the early scholars of islam. and some may even point out 8 conditions.
Djazaa kumullaahu khairan.
As the Prophet Salallaau alayhi wasallam said:” i leave you with two things if you hold on to it you wil be never miguided.”
THAT IS THE QURAN EN THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET SALALLAAHU ALYHI WASALLAM.
BarakaAllaahu fiekoum.
Hayaa koumullaah
Wa alaikoum salaam warahmatullaahi wabarakatoeh.
Typical, of these claiments of doing jarh (criticism) in the name of sunnah and the salaf. Rather that introduction is just by someone seeking fame, he was kicked out of the deobandi school and has a chip on his shoulder about it. Muhammed al-kawthari of leicester is far more knowlegable than him too, as can be seen by his more scholarly responses.
Ibn taymiyyah would find many excuses for some confusing words of junaid al-baghdadi and al-jilaanee. In fact ibn taymiyyah himself has talked about concepts of ‘kashf’. Which most of these so called salafis immediately refer to as shirk, whereas ibn taymiyyah doesnt do that. He clarifies with intelligence not ignorant partisanship and seeking fame like the authors here. Shah walliullah and sidiq hasan khan, both individuals the author above used to look upto have statements that seem to promote wahdutul wujood. What does ahle hadis indo pak group day about this?
Unity of existance is wrong, but look at the definition that people have. Some of the people just use wrong terminology and dont really hold the beleif everything is Allah. People could refute the ‘salafis’ by just mentioning how they must be wrong because all they do is refute each other – like faleh followers, libyan followers, madkhali followers, jabiree followers,, hajuri followers, muqbil followers, juhayman followers, jami followers, then you have fanatical ahle hadis group in india, sidiq hasan khan, qutubi, mawdudi,etc. but that would be just like what you’ve done here.
Forgot to mention the takfir group and the nadwi group and also the indian group “any taqlid is shirk” group
Salafiyah is not a clan but rather it is the pure religion that Allaah sent down from above his throne whhich is above the seven heavens ,it is a methodology that the prophet taught his companions and they implemented.
As for all the salafi scholars you mentioned.They are all our salafi scholars and we respect them all not having exaggeration(ghuloo) for any one amongst them and whatever differences happen between them you can be sure of one thing they are all united upon the belief that the creed that the elders of the deoband were upon is misguidance that leads to the hellfire.
Surely they do behave with a clan/tribe/party mentality with each one of the sub claiments making out they are THE saved sect. So is hajoori on the truth or ubaid or rabee’? And lets not exaggerate, rabee’ has really said bad things about the real big scholars of saudia, like shaikh bin baaz. If you know arabic then just go to some of the forums where there is evidance and shows all the salafis in-fighting.
Some of them have even said imam adh-dhahabi is not sunni, forget the like of ibn hajar and an-nawawi… And if they say this about this imam so what if they agree about the misguidance of some sufi concepts. Not all deobandis hold those beleifs. And if you want to attack these eleders of deoband, then also attack the elders of ahle hadis in india called shaikh ehsan, shah walliullah, nawab sidiq hasan khan and many others who had “deviant” beleif.
And please dont try to fool everyone here. You might have respect for the shuyookh of this “salafiyyah” but they themselves and their rabid followers spend tons of time cursing each other and diggign out little mistakes so they canr efute them and label them deviant. And this is well known, and you yourself know this, so dont deny what is apparent. The so called salafis are attacking each other how can they be saved sect?
Rightly said by Brother asalafiyaleicester.
Salvation is only possible if you stick to the Manhaj demonstrated in the Qur’an and Sunnah.
Deobandism is in fact opposite to this Manhaj and therefore leads to Hellfire.
Also, let me just make it clear. The debate with the general masses in leicester should not be what you have mentioned here. If you were sincere in your advice you wouldnt go around spouting these things about their elders.
How many deobandees in leicester even know what these concepts mean? How many are sufis? Or ‘asharees in reality? From what i know, they are like the ancient types when it comes to aqeedah, and most are on the beleif of the “old women of nishapur”. So be wise in the way you wish to correct. They might call themselves deobandee or ‘asharee, but that because they dont know. Do you think they will take to your da’wah when you attack them in this manner? You dont seem to like it when your imaam are attacked. When someone points out the differance between ma’ribi, rabee’, bakr abu zayd, ibn baaz, jabiree, hajoori, harbi, muqbil, juhayman, libyans, algerians, ahle hadis. Yet above you say you love them all. So if we wanted to come to a common beleif and agreement in aqeedh, does it make sense that are point out all the differances your above shaykhs had? If i started attacking them? Because even they have attackedceach other on the basis of the others creed being deviant. Like hajoori said ubaid aljabiree has disrespected the companions (ra). And birmingham salafis love ubaid. And leicester salafis are devided into groups, each loving their own shaykhs from above,
So be fair, in your advice and be wise. Allah did send his religion from above the heavens but to say you salfis of leicester are on the pure religion that the earliest salaf were on is misguidance. Accept it.
few points
1. I have no interest in commenting on the differences between salafi mashaykh but I have to salute you for your attempt to (a) try to change the topic of the post and thread (b) your attempt to drag me down into the trenches with you. feel free to keep commenting on the subject of differences between the salafi mashaykh because i find your assumptions and conclusions quite amusing
2 Our attack is not against the common deobandee muslim most of them are in reality are not deobandees because the fitrah rejects the corupt beleifs that the deobandee creed propagates.you are absolutly right many of the ordinary deobandee muslim in leicester have not got a clue about many of the issues and corrupt beleifs that the founding forefathers of their sect had but our aim is(a)Raise awareness that the foundation of the deobandee creed was built upon shirk and kufr (b)refute the deviant beleifs of these imams such as muhammed ibn adam alkawthari who openly calls to supplicating to intermediaries and he calls this tawasull(see his blog)which is major shirk and nullifies Islam so why do you praise individuals like this?Many of my friends who are ex deobandees and have now become salafi say they where unaware of the corrupt beleifs that the founding forefathers of the deobandee sect held.So our aim is to unveil the kufr and shirk of those who openly called to shirk and kufr and those that are currently calling to shirk and kufr and we will not remain silent
3.Wether the people accept the truth or not in the hands of Allaah our duty is to convey the truth and expose those that openly call to deviation if they dont openly call to deviation we will leave them alone but as for your Imam ibn adam he calls to major shirk and kufr so he will be warned against.
1. No problem if you don’t comment on the salafis differing, because it is very very apparent. And it’s a sign of misguidance that they continually split into sub sects. Its the nature of the beast. And if they call the deobandee masses misguiided it is meaningless, as they themselves call their big shaykhs like bin baaz “a great harm to salafiya”
2. Whether you say your attack is not against the general folk of leicester and the deobandee masses in general – it surely is. If we try look at it from whether it is from Wisdom to attack someones elders, whether they will accept your call or not, are they more likely to accept your call with this type of attack? Think about it. You can go on about kufr, shirk and bidah all you want. The fact is, even if it is good you desire, it’s nit correct to make this call in the manner you have done. The individual who made the introduction of the book already has a very poor status in the view of the deobandee masses if you didnt know local deobandee history. This too shows the ignorance of your call. You know, if i were to attack madkhali or hajoori or muqbil or somalis salafis or libyans – you would immediately assume the worse and reject anything i would bring, regardless of the truth involved. There are several hadeeth which show that you don’t neccessarily need to go straight for the jugular when refuting. Think about how the prophet sallallahualayhi wassallam advised people who were of a particular understanding and were not the prime callers to misguidance. And think also the example of ibn taymiyyah and his method of advising the masses. And also think about the time and place you are in. Salafis want to be in imam ahmads era when it comes to refuting but are the far away from that era in terms of action when it comes to piety, softness of the heart, zuhd, ibaadah, manners etc.
The prophet (saw) would have wanted to change the bulding of the ka’bah. And you can follow up the hadeeth yourself. But the point is, he (saw) didn’t because the people were new to islam. Now from this you know some things can be witheld from the people to avoid a harm if the benefit isnt great. Now im not saying dont correct shirk or kufr. But do look at the method you do it. Is it necceesary to attack the character of people who are long gone and 95% of the leicester deobandees dont even know. Will you cause harm from disclosing a book like this, in this manner? I think you will, most deobandees will just look at it the same way you looked at al-albaani unveiled – and you will not acheive your goal of rectification.
3. Present the truth the people. But present in the best manner. This book is not it. You could correct shirk and kufr in the beleifs – by doing this you are only increasing the hatered the deobandee community – i mean the masses – feel against you. This individual who wrote the introduction is very much hated in the community from the deobandees who know him. He has little hikmah in his way. Imam ibn taymiyaah did not mention several things the salaf narrated about imam abu hanifa and in fact defended him. Their is great reason and wisdom behind that. This individual has gone on and presented narrations On the internet from a site you linked to – some possibly fabricated narrations – stating the worse things about imam abuhanifa rahimahullah. So lets say those narration do appear in books like sunnah of son of imam ahmad and tarik baghdad by al-khatib. Do these narrations need to be presented in this time and place like leicester. Wheres the benefit from doing that? Where’s the hikmah? Salafis say they dont attack the imams of the salaf, but in the eyes of the general people who love their imams past and present, this is certainly true – you guys do attack the muslim imams, and hide behind labels like warning against shirk.
As for mohammed ibn adam al-kawthari, then all i said was that he was more knowlegable than the individual who wrote the introduction to the book above. And i will add he probably is more wiser and has better understandingn of usul of fiqh and methdology of giving da’wah. As for what he has written in terms of his beleifs, then i dont follow them at all. If anything you should show sincerety in what you say your goal is, and take a group of you to correct this imam or at least enter into a discussion. He al-kawthari in fact is less deobandee than the “deobandee” masses and he is more closer to breilwees and wants closer ties to . He openly propagates his ‘asharee beliefs whereas most Of the masses either dont know what ‘asharism/matarudism is or just attach themselves to it without really knowing its foundations and usul. So that is the differance between mohammed ibn adam alkawthari and the general masses who you wish to correct by this book. It looks like you got your da’wah all mixed up and just want fame (infamous) by presenting such a book to the masses in Leicester.
Allah the most high said regarding ibrahim “And indeed We bestowed aforetime on Ibrâhim (Abraham) his (portion of) guidance, and We were Well-Acquainted with him (as to his Belief in the Oneness of Allâh, etc.). (Al-Anbiya 21:51)
And the most high said
“Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrâhim (Abraham) and those with him, when they said to their people: “Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allâh, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred for ever, until you believe in Allâh Alone,”
Ibrahim(as) was given hikmah and guidance he started his dawah to tawheed with his father and his people in a gentle way when the people became obstinate Ibraheem used harshness on them by breaking their idols and declaring that emnity and hatred had began between him and his idolatrous people.
So harshness in dawah has got its place even though the foundation is gentleness.
and here in leicster all of the masjid that propogate the correct tawheed have practised a lot of gentleness with the sufis of leicester writing to them in private and advising them but this has lead to more arrogance from the leaders of the sufis and even attacking salafis on their blogs distributing books about our scholars speaking about salafis on the mimbar so the time for gentleness with these people has passed its time to move to the second stage
another point is in reality by us refuting the dead muslims who left beleifs of kufr and shirk we are being merciful to them because every muslim who comes after them and follows them in this misguidance those who established this misguidance will take a share of sin for every misguided person,so in refuting them we reduce the numbers of misguided muslims thus reducing the amount of sin on these founding forfathers who established this misguidance.We see here in leicester many youth leaving the deobandee and brielwis creed and becoming salafi but we dont see any salafi youth becoming deobandee or brelwis and the one who gave the introduction to this book is a proof of what I am saying.
These Imams openly write articles put them on the internet and deliver lectures so it is a fard ul kifiyah upon a group of muslims to openly condemmn the evil that is propogated.
Whether the people love us or hate us we means nothing to us we are not doing dawah for love or hate of the people rather our dawah is done seeking Allahs reward of paradise and just like the people of ibrahim hated him for calling them to tawheed this did ot stop him from calling his people and condeming the shirk openly We will not stop our call to tawheed and condemning the shirk openly,
and lastly and just like the salaf refuted the bidah and the people of bidah we will continue to publish the statements of our salafi scholars against the deviated sects their books and their callers to misguidance love it who loves it hates it who hates it were not here to please the people
Fine, go ahead and refute to your hearts content. And please mention all the statemetns from ulema, and those you consider big shaykhs – not the author of the introduction… Or do you consider him an imam?
Please don’t leave off any of the refutations of the people of misguidance, not the muqbilees, the dammaajis, the maribiees, qutubees, madkhalees, hawalees, halabees.
First concentrate in making st Mathews into practising Muslims then will deal with the rest afterwards
Bro Deoband is life and wat THE AKABIR have done I can dream about it stop slandering them and do something proper for deen
First of all make some masaajids !!!!
On the day of qiyamah u will find out !!!!
Inshallah
I came across this piece which appeared impressive:
“Salafism Is Root Of All Fitna” – A Debate With Leading Kharizi Centre Dawatus Salafiyyah Leicester UK By: Abu Arif Al Alawi
http://www.islamicresearchmission.blogspot.in/2012/12/salafism-is-root-of-all-fitna-debate.
I think, Md Abul Kalam Azad has crushed Salafi spokesman effectively .